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Krank · Jul 25, 2005, 07:03 PM // 19:03

id rather farm the game to death than PAY for some jackass's gold

genghiskhen · Jul 25, 2005, 07:19 PM // 19:19

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Originally Posted by Silmor

The main problem with buying gold online is that you are justifying the methods of botters, because that's where this online money comes from. It will encourage them to run more bots for optimal profits, offsetting the danger of getting one of their accounts banned for botting on occasion. With your money, they can buy new accounts to start new bots.

Bots do nothing more than pump money into the economy, which can only cause inflation. Because they can go at it 24/7, a bot will earn much, much more money than a casual gamer does in a game. What this implies is that the general wealth will be with the botters, and with those people who buy gold on eBay. The casual gamers gradually have less and less power in the economy, until finally their only option is to give up on trying to earn their own gold, and buy it as well (if they can afford it, some will simply lose out). Which fuels bots, and things simply go further downhill from there.

This isn't an issue of whether or not you should earn your own money, or whether you really need it in the first place. This is an issue of what you want Guild Wars to become. Buy gold on eBay for whatever reason, and you move Guild Wars further towards a botter's paradise, while making the game less enjoyable to all the other players.

I couldn't possibly have said it better myself. The economy in Shadowbane deteriorated to the point that not only where the uber runes unaffordable, but so were the basic stat runes required to build characters. The game became truly unplayable without help from established players or friends. Bots and e-bay ruin the economy in games and make the games less fun in the long run.

spartans · Jul 25, 2005, 07:55 PM // 19:55

I think you have to look deeper than bots ruining economy.
Items are already highly priced and un obtainable thats why I believe bots have a market.
The game has become extremely hard without friends and other players helping, im lucky to enjoy both, have even given gold weapons free to other playes I have quested with as opposed to try and sell for sqillions.
Its not the bots ppl, they are a band aid. The root of the problem is simply you have to farm, you cannot quest to get all you need.
Imagine going on a quest to get a grip of fortitude - how cool would that be. But no someone is selling them for like 30k so the cycle continues.
Why not have collectors/quests for runes, weapon upgrades, dyes and so that way you have choice. Would you pay 90k for a rune if you could do a quest, I would not, some may pay still and good luck if you do.
As it is now gold rules the day, so bots have a market.

Stur · Jul 25, 2005, 08:07 PM // 20:07

How meny zeros are in a sqillions?

Master Of Disharmony · Jul 25, 2005, 09:16 PM // 21:16

Not Ebay

--closed--

PS: i was like u, 2 weeks ago: "damm how the make 1000k?" And now i fund a place for hunting and did last 3 days 200k.

Find my other Post for Location....

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id rather farm the game to death than PAY for some jackass's gold

my words

spartans · Jul 25, 2005, 09:56 PM // 21:56

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Originally Posted by Stur

How meny zeros are in a sqillions?

rofl, i think it changes often actually, just check the trade channel for examples.

genghiskhen · Jul 25, 2005, 10:19 PM // 22:19

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Originally Posted by spartans

I think you have to look deeper than bots ruining economy.

Economy is based on supply versus demand. Every time someone plays the game gold gets created. Rare and uber items are created much less frequently, therefore they are worth a lot of gold. MMOs usually employ methods of removing gold from the economy via repairs or upgrades, but the bottom line in every game I have played is people always increase the amount of gold they have on hand. A larger supply of gold decreases its value. Bots increase the amount of available gold at an increased (unbalance) rate. Inflation is inherent to the system and bots increase the rate of inflation.

It is up to each person if they want to purchase items/gold on e-bay. I have no control over it and I won't waste my time telling people what I think they should do. Many people would do the oposite just out of spite. What I think we need is a gold tax--a form of gold rot that removed a percentage of gold from everyone's account once a week. It shouldn't be too painful but it should promote a "use it or lose it" mentality. The overall effect would be to punish bot users and maintain the value of gold.

spartans · Jul 25, 2005, 10:27 PM // 22:27

Paying taxes in a game as well as in real life...Man life suks now!

genghiskhen · Jul 25, 2005, 10:32 PM // 22:32

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Originally Posted by spartans

Paying taxes in a game as well as in real life...Man life suks now!

I think you are looking at it wrong. How would all the people who are too lazy to hold a job survive if not for your taxes?

Seriously though, GW was made to fix the problems with MMOs (albeit with some sacrifices) and inflation has always been one of the worst problems. Inflation can make a game unfun.

Level Moron · Jul 25, 2005, 10:40 PM // 22:40

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Originally Posted by Arturo02

don't ever use real life money to buy pixels. Not worth it.

didnt you buy pixels with real money to get the game?

just an observation

=HT=Ingram · Jul 25, 2005, 10:55 PM // 22:55

heck I gave 100k to our guild treasury to get it started and got a e-mail from anet saying to not transfer large sums like that anymore or risk getting temp banned for suspicion of selling gold. Once I showed them I purchased another account for our guild to act as guild characters they were ok with it. but a simple process like that can and will result in closer attention from arenanet.

Right now that account is accessible by all our guild officers and serves to hold guild money and reward items for Guild Quests posted on our webpage. In the future this will be able to be done legitimately with Guild NPCs or so Arenanet has told me. and we will then use that account and full retail game as a real world prize within our gaming clan for someone that does not have the game yet and wants it. Our gaming clan is much larger then guildwars alone...

So just be aware that transferring large sums of gold to someone else (100k +) sends up a flag at Arenanet in the logs. Any time you send more then you can hold to anyone else it is Almost guaranteed that you are engaged in an activity that is against the EULA and ROC.

Shadow_Avenger · Jul 25, 2005, 11:10 PM // 23:10

Bots have little effect on the economy it is the players that affect it 100%.
I.E Guild sigil = 44 plat this eve, yet 2 weeks ago from the same trader = 1 plat. Why?
More players where playing at tombs and selling there sigils to the trader. That is the economy of GW, not botters altering the prices.
As for E bay, that a choice of the individual, I honestly don't think it is worth it for a game like GW as it is easy to get max level and max level items with out any major hassle. The hardest things to get are the superior rune and the 75plat armours, but the armours are purely cosmetic and the runes, well is is debateable as to there usefulness when the actual damage increase they give over a major is not that huge and the price differece can be alot. Even the vigor runes, a superior vigor only gives 30hp more over the major,(don't event think its that much.) I can get that from a decent weapon haft or sheild

Xue Yi Liang · Jul 25, 2005, 11:32 PM // 23:32

Why use eBay?
Some items in the game are ridiculously expensive - but building resources and finding ways to make money are a part of the game. It took me a long time to farm and save to buy a set of 15k armor - but it became that much more meaningful when I got it. Some day I'll get FoW armor - and I can look forward to getting it.

Some people think it's unfair when they see others with top equipment or tons of cash - but what they don't consider is that most (not all) of those people worked hard to get that way.

If someone doesn't want the challenge of doing things for themselves then why not pay $30 to play the game for them and unlock all the bonuses? In that case you can pay $50 + $30 for someone else to play the game for you.

spartans · Jul 26, 2005, 12:45 AM // 00:45

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Originally Posted by Xue Yi Liang

Why use eBay?
Some items in the game are ridiculously expensive - but building resources and finding ways to make money are a part of the game. It took me a long time to farm and save to buy a set of 15k armor - but it became that much more meaningful when I got it. Some day I'll get FoW armor - and I can look forward to getting it.

Some people think it's unfair when they see others with top equipment or tons of cash - but what they don't consider is that most (not all) of those people worked hard to get that way.

If someone doesn't want the challenge of doing things for themselves then why not pay $30 to play the game for them and unlock all the bonuses? In that case you can pay $50 + $30 for someone else to play the game for you.

OK missing the point here, for you spending a lot of time farming is part of the game, thats what rewards
you

Not ME! Not I!

I absolutely do not care one little bit what items you have and what you do with your character, it does not affect me and never will. I have my own game to play.

I find my challenges doing things I like to do.

Play how you like, i have no problem with that, just dont tell others what gets their rocks off in the game - you dont know!

Kind of get sick of pointing that out

Silmor · Jul 26, 2005, 12:56 AM // 00:56

And I get kind of sick of pointing out that by buying gold online, you affect the playing experience of every other GW player. If you're too ignorant to notice, or too unscrupulous to care, fine. But I'd really like it if people would stop claiming buying gold doesn't hurt anyone. It has hurt many online games to the point where it caused a significant player exodus already, these are practical examples of the botting/buying system at work, this is not just elaborate speculation.

Ultimate_Gaara · Jul 26, 2005, 01:01 AM // 01:01

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Originally Posted by Level Moron

didnt you buy pixels with real money to get the game?

just an observation

first of all im pretty sure pixels are way out dated, its 2005 not 1995..

second of all your wrong... you see, we payed for a game that a company spend time working on, not something some bot programed by some low life picked up on last month's sunday (date may vary)... oh and did anyone else know buying guild wars from retail ISNT againt the rules... unlike ebay.. i think ill wrap this up with your words "just an observation"....

spartans · Jul 26, 2005, 01:13 AM // 01:13

When did forums become more interesting than the game, how come no one told me? LOL

This can be an offshoot to GW, FW forum wars.

SOT · Jul 26, 2005, 01:52 AM // 01:52

I purchase things like the piece of cheese that looks like the virgin mary on Ebay. I do not purchase non-palpable things on Ebay. I have common sense signet.

Level Moron · Jul 26, 2005, 02:00 AM // 02:00

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Originally Posted by Ultimate_Gaara

first of all im pretty sure pixels are way out dated, its 2005 not 1995..

second of all your wrong... you see, we payed for a game that a company spend time working on, not something some bot programed by some low life picked up on last month's sunday (date may vary)... oh and did anyone else know buying guild wars from retail ISNT againt the rules... unlike ebay.. i think ill wrap this up with your words "just an observation"....

i never said i supported ebayers, i was just makin an observation. lol ive never had my comments written up like that w00t

Ellington · Jul 26, 2005, 07:16 AM // 07:16

Buying in-game currency and items always seemed hella lame to me. If all it takes is a few minutes on eBay to get anything you want, doesn't the game get kind of old? What's the point if there's nothing to work for?